Robert … I work with the Ancient Historical Research Foundation (AHRF) http://www.AncientHistoricalResearchFoundation.com which is a group who researches ancient history and related items of interest. I came to learn of what is known as “Burrows Cave” as a result of our research into Ancient Civilizations, as you may know Russell Burrows is generally accredited with first discovering the cave, hence the name “Burrows Cave”. I also moderate a forum where topics like this are discussed (http://www.AncientLostTreasures.com) … The fact that the cave was discovered 20+ years ago with no substantial evidence ever coming forth has sparked a lot of discussion on the topic. Russell Burrows has participated in some of these discussions, and has posted on the forum. Recently, someone brought up the military service of Russell Burrows and this has been tossed around on the forum as well which eventually lead me to finding the SOG website. The information which is displayed there is helpful in understanding this back ground somewhat, but I didn’t know how authentic the emails were that are listed as part of the SOG website. So my first interest was to verify that the emails were legitimate, then second to ask for any other information which would help me understand the background history better. The bottom line for me is the cave itself, the research into whether or not it truly exists, if it does exist then it will have some significant impact on portions of the early American History, and if not, well … then I guess it’s just a good story … Like I mentioned earlier that as of right now we have no significant evidence that it is real, and focus in the on going investigation is centering on the Discoverer Russ Burrows … Hope that helps in understanding the reason for my inquiry …. I sincerely appreciate the help I have received so far in this matter from you and others listed there on the SOG site … Please feel free to contact me anytime with any questions you may have …

--Whyte

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INPUT FROM THE SOG COMMUNITY:

He is not listed as having ever served with SOG, not listed in the Who's Who form MACVSOG and no one in Special Forces has ever heard of this guy. During the 1963 time frame, there were only two Colonels in Special Forces, he certainly wasn't either of them and SOG had not been created at this time. There was no General in Special Forces Warfare Center so how did he get a General to sign his orders?  Had he ever been in Special Forces or SOG with his claimed rank, he would have been well known among our community. Cpt Robert L. Noe, USA, SOA/SFA/NOBC

Steve Sherman, 5th Speical Forces and SOG Historian says:  "Call Dan Rather and Mary Mapes. Give them the scoop."
 

FROM THE SOG AND SPECIAL FORCES TROOPS:

From: [email protected]

From: [email protected]

The orders for this guy was never printed at Ft Bragg or anywhere else that was an official part of the Army, let along SF and Training.

CIA and SF were never issued any orders with joint mention, let alone TS without any distribution symbols etc., this guy is a phony and so are these so called orders.

TS orders or any document TS would have to have control numbers, stamped at both top and bottom TS plus a distribution schedule at the bottom of the text. Downgrading instructions would apply also. Hand carried by a courier. There are to many mistakes on these orders. Such as the date and subject. etc. If this guy is still around, those fake orders should land him some time in the ole jail house where he belongs.

Duh Bear

From: JAKESOA

In a message dated 11/26/2005 10:38:51 A.M. Central Standard Time, SOG1RLNOE writes:

Could you tell me if the military issued paper orders like these back in 63?

No, It Should read:

HEADQUARTERS
UNITED STATES ARMY
JOHN F. KENNEDY CENTER FOR SPECIAL WARFARE (AIRBORNE)
Fort Bragg, North Carolina 28307

And orders would have been classified "FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY"


From: [email protected]

First point, if this guy was to begin any conversation about any of his "qualifications", I would go to the latrine and not return. Everything is backward. As if photo negative has been reversed.... or some one was looking at a photo while attaching devices etc Order of awards are all incorrect. As you stated, the name tag is not right Paper orders are like none I ever saw. Documents from a Generals Office would have no miss spelled words, abbreviations like on this Document i.e. Subject line.

Opinion..... LIAR AND WANNABE.........

Keep the faith,

Jerry Jeffcoat

From: [email protected]

The orders are obviously bogus. I doubt his story would hold up to serious investigation. The picture may be reversed, that would show the ribbons on the wrong side.

John

From: MoeElmore

Well as noted, the Mau Mau were in Kenya and no where near South Africa, and Leopold may exist in (Republic of South Africa) RSA but the one most well known was Leopoldville which I think was in the Congo when Belgium was the colonial master.

As for the orders, they are without a doubt phony as can be. Just look at the signature line and block. They just do not compute. That old boy may have been in the Army in Korea and Vietnam but he sure did not work where he claimed in those orders. Moe

From: [email protected]

- I didn't know that SF had a CG that was a 2-star MG in '63  (Billy Waugh states we had no Generals at that time and only two Col's and this guy wasn't one of them).

And since when was War Fare - - as in Special Warfare, 2 words ?????

John Korsbeck SOA 326GL SFA 9366 [email protected]

From: [email protected]

I normally feel that the phony chase is a waste of energy, but then again if civilians believe this shit, I bet he wasn't even in the service and is
or has been bamboozling the VA as well. What was he thinking of when he sent this forward? Hmmm shows that the cranially challenged are stupider than originally thought. This guy on the other hand could give the deranged and twisted a bad name. Lets see that would be bad because we are deranged and twisted; hmmmm jewish lightning, or non descript grey sedan with bull bars
and a foggy night?

Nick

From: [email protected]

BULLSHIT!!
These "orders" are a complete fabrication by someone who has no idea what they are doing .... except lying.

A better understanding of this bullshit artiste is at: http://www.flavinscorner.com/falling.htm

 Check out that site. Perhaps our exposure of this asshole will put his "cave artifacts" into the rock crusher where they belong. Note that "Special Forces" is only mentioned in his fake bio at the URL above. However, it gives a great insight into a huckster and his NeoNazi friends. Suggest that any attempt to discredit this piece of dung be done in the name of SOA, NOT an individual. We should kick his ass as a group, to defend the name of all our comrades. However, a single individual does not need to put up with the kind of attacks this bunch of maggots like to dish out.

For a starter, see the following quote, from the URL above. " McGlone was concerned with why some believe and behave as they do. Burrows is a liar who craves attention. Like Collin, he has a uniform fetish (Burrows and Rydholm 1992, see pics on pp. 23 and 30, text on p.23). He also has a penchant for telling tall tales and once bragged “he was called in by the Air Force to interrogate UFO witnesses (Heck 2001).” His involvement in financial scams is well documented. A pathological liar? A master con-artist? In 1995, Burrows tried his hand at writing again and produced pieces suggesting Carthaginian pirates were responsible for Burrows Cave (Burrows 1995a), and a non-fantastic overview of the so-called “Black Hawk War (Burrows 1995c).” To suggest that Burrows likes to keep busy would be the grossest of understatements."

A Google search on: "Russell Burrows" will give you more information on this idiot.

As far as the email you forwarded, it is full of nonsense.
Look at the orders. They are written in Plain Language, something the U.S. Army was totally incapable of in 1963.
They would have included "EDCSA" or "Effective Date of Change of Strength Accountability" ... the date one unit would lose him and the other unit would  "gain" him.

Also note that he went from Battlefield Commission in 1953, to the rank of COL O-6 in 1963. I forget the exact Time In Grade requirements for back then, but it was something like:
2LT to 1LT - 2yrs
1LT to CPT 4 yrs
CPT to MAJ 4 yrs
MAJ to LTC 7 yrs??

Of course, his language is not that which was used back then: "Repatriated to Continental U.S."

The heading on the orders are bullshit. Steve Sherman should be able to come up with the correct heading for Ft. Bragg, about the time these "orders" were supposedly cut. Note that they are also missing the Office Symbol ... a coded heading, that should be at the top left of the orders, just above the From/To information. Note also that the From portion of the orders would not have "MG ...... O-8' The "SB'JT" is also a bullshit abbreviation.

His orders say "currant" duty .... that's a berry ... should be "current." I have never known a Major General that would sign such a sloppy set of orders such as these. What's more, normally a MG does not sign the orders. They are signed by his Adjutant ... "For The Commander" would appear to the upper left of the signature block.

Then, look at the signature block.... since I joined the military in 1961, we have NEVER used a signature block like that!! Notice also that "Warfare" is written "War Fare" in the signature block.

The phrase "These Orders are Top Secret" is also Bullshit.... they would have simply been stamped "Top Secret," not "These Orders Are ....."

Maybe there is a law, where this scumbag currently lives, that can be used to punish fakes like him?
Regards
Randy Givens

Reversing the photo helps. However, the Korean badge above his right pocket should be centered ... everyone knows this. Also note the lack of Vietnam service medals/campaign medals, etc.
See my previous reply (above)
I have long wanted to see a Wall of Shame, and not just for Wannabe's ... idjits like Dr. Chu, the current DoD Personnel liar in chief, and those others who have screwed soldiers through the years should also be included.
Randy

Exposing the fake, the devil is in the paper size
From: [email protected]

Robert, Another way of exposing the fraud .... get him to show you his "original" orders. I'll bet they are printed on 8.5" x 11.0" paper (standard letter size).

Problem is, the Army used 8" x 10.5" paper for years. I just measured a copy of orders, from Ft. Bragg, dated 1967, and they are on "Army Size" paper.

I think the story was that the smaller sized paper was supposed to be so that the paper couldn't be stolen and used by civilians --- there used to be a training film on the 'so many dollar pencil' (I forget the dollar amount cited). It was how soldiers thoughtlessly taking pencils home would drain the Army of precious training dollars, etc.

Anyway, the fake probably did not think to cut his paper down to "Army size."

Thanks again, for all you do.
Warm regards
Randy


From: [email protected]

I'm for the wannabe site. I've busted two people, one saying he was Delta (through SFA and a Delta contact I confirmed twice that he was not) and the second guy saying he was a SEAL (I contacted the guys at the SEAL locator and they said they were 100% certain he was not a SEAL).

- Jim

From: ADOYLESF

Personally, I have never seen orders cut this way. Also, is this guy a General? Yes, you are correct. His medals and name tag are on reversed sides. Never saw this guy. Al Doyle

From: [email protected]

Looks like Bullshit to Me.
John Sending to Lou Faistenhammer.Paul Payne and Charlie Norton for their preview
John
"GOD BLESS AMERICA-IN GOD WE TRUST'


From: [email protected]

I have a good feeling that this is someone trying to pose as a distinguished combat veteran. Here is just a couple of things that jump out at me.

1. He says he graduated in 1952 and sent to Korea. Since he also states that he was born in 1935, this would make him either 16 or 17 years old. In 1953 he states he received a battlefield commission, so he was at best 18? Seems a little young for that doesn't he?

2. I am very suspicious of the fact he states that he received all of the following " 1 Bronze Star, 2 Silver stars, 1 Legion of Merit, 2 Purple Hearts" while still a second lieutenant? Do you know any 2LT who has done that much in the period of one year (he states he came back in 1953 and was promoted to 1LT).

3. In 1955 he goes to "Advanced Ranger Training in Guerrilla warfare". Since I wear a Ranger Tab myself, I have never heard of the "Advanced Ranger Training" course he mentions. Nor in any of my historical readings of the Ranger Department have I heard mention of an "Advanced Ranger Course."

4. Within the period of one year (1960 to 1961) he states that he applied for, was accepted, and conducted his SF training, then followed with an assignment to Saigon. This too does not seem to make sense for the expected timeline of training (SFQC, language training, etc.)

5. His timeline for promotions does not make sense either. As far as I know, there were no direct abilities to promote folks past their peers in the early 1960s. If he was a 1LT in 1953, but when he returns in 1963 he was an O-6 (Colonel). When did he work in the Advanced Course (Captain), Command and General Staff College (Major), and the War College (LTC)?

6. His orders that he shows look nothing like their official and the units mentioned I cannot cross reference with any of my historical documents which emulated from Bragg at that time. We all know that the 5th SFG was there, but I cannot find anything relating to the 5th SOG he mentions. As far as I am aware, the SOG was stood up in SEA and never had formal ties back to Fort Bragg, NC. The format does not look like the way I have seen other orders from that time period beginning. For example the "TOP SECRET" which is on the paper was not common in those days. I think like the issues with Bush during the last election and the "forged" performance reports, an expert on writing will tell you the font and other features were not common to the early 1960s.

Hope this helps. I think that until Mr. Burrows does some more explaining about his background, he should be treated as a "wanna-be."

Respectfully, Greg