SF RETIREES WEARING OF BERET AND UNIFORM
From:
Randy Givens [mailto:
Ok
guys,
You
can do the same yourselves at: http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r670_1.pdf
Go
to the URL above, download the reg, then use the “find” box at the top of
the page.
Right
next to it are forward and backward arrows so you can find the next use of the
words you are searching for.
You
can search all 362 pages of the regs in a heartbeat that way.
I
cut and pasted below everything I think you need to know that I could find in
the reg.
I
could not find anything in this reg about “uniform of retirement.” In
fact, the reg says you can wear either the
uniform as it was when you retired OR the modern equivalent of your uniform on
the date you retired.
30-3
c.
Retired
personnel not on active duty may wear either the uniform reflecting their
grade and branch on the date of
their
retirement, or the uniform for personnel in the Active Army of corresponding
grade and branch, when appropriate,
but
may not intermix the two uniforms
I
did find that SF qualified soldiers can choose to wear the green beret while
they are at service schools.
There
are also provisions for former (not retired) soldiers to wear the army
uniform.
Since
there is a dearth of specific information on retirees wearing the green beret,
it takes some interpolation and reasonable assumptions.
Since
the standard headgear for guys and gals, legs, REMF’s, clerks and jerks, is
now a black beret;
-
and
the regs infer that retirees and former soldiers can wear that black beret;
-
and
the Army Echoes (Retiree newsletter) says you can wear the black beret (see
extract posted below regs);
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it only
makes sense to me that SF qualified retirees and former soldiers can wear the
Green Beret on occasions when they are not on active duty and when they are
otherwise authorized to wear an army hat. Note that they are forbidden to wear
the BDU’s and field caps. Except for dress blues, retirees and former
soldiers are only authorized to wear berets OR
their old Service or Overseas hats.
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However,
retirees and former soldiers may CHOOSE
to wear the BLACK beret in lieu of the old Flying Saucer or C**t cap.
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Now
since they are authorized to wear a black beret, it
only makes sense that SF qualified folks be allowed to wear the Green Beret
instead of the Black Beret. The Army uniform regulation does
NOT forbid you from doing so.
Since
once upon a time I was an SF B detachment S-1, my interpretation of the regs
is hereby unofficial!
As
for me, I sure as hell am not going to wear any white patch on my left
shoulder … it’d make me look like somebody from the Salvation Army, and
I’m not that religious!
I’ll
just leave my left shoulder bare of any unit insignia, and I’ll put my green
beret on my head, with my SF crest over my right pocket since I’m a member
of the SF Regiment and am otherwise SF qualified.
Here
are the regs, you try and figure out a better interpretation!
Just
remember, wear the uniform proudly, and wear it in the spirit of these
regulations, and I don’t think anyone will have room to criticize you.
If
they do, what are they going to do about a minor disagreement about the
interpretation of the regulations, when you’re trying to do the right thing?
Besides,
you can print these regs out and put them in your pocket.
I’ll
bet any fussy busybody won’t have a copy of the regs with them.
Besides,
what are they going to do about it anyway if you’re trying to do the
right thing?
De
Oppresso Liber!
Randy
Givens
aka
COL George R. Givens, US Army, Retired
http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r670_1.pdf
Army
Regulation 670–1
Uniforms
and Insignia
Wear
and Appearance of Army Uniforms and Insignia
AR
670–1 • 3 February 2005
1–10.
When the wear of the Army uniform is required or prohibited
Page
8
j.
Wearing Army
uniforms is prohibited in the following situations:
(1)
In connection with the furtherance of any political or commercial interests,
or when engaged in off-duty civilian
employment.
(2)
When participating in public speeches, interviews, picket lines, marches,
rallies, or public demonstrations, except
as
authorized by competent authority.
(3)
When attending any meeting or event that is a function of, or is sponsored by,
an extremist organization.
(4)
When wearing the uniform would bring discredit upon the Army.
(5)
When specifically prohibited by Army regulations.
k.
Soldiers will
wear headgear with the Army uniform, except under the following circumstances:
(1)
Headgear is not required if it would interfere with the safe operation of
military vehicles. The wear of military
headgear
is not required while in or on a privately owned vehicle (to include a
motorcycle, bicycle, or convertible
automobile),
a commercial vehicle, or on public conveyance (such as a subway, train, plane,
or bus).
(2)
Soldiers will not wear headgear indoors unless under arms in an official
capacity, or when directed by the
commander,
such as for indoor ceremonial activities.
(3)
Male and female soldiers are not required to wear headgear to evening social
events (after Retreat) when
wearing
the Army blue and white uniforms, the enlisted green dress uniform, the Army
green maternity dress uniform
(females
only), or the mess and evening mess uniforms.
(4)
Soldiers will carry their headgear, when it is not worn, in their hands while
wearing service, dress, and mess
uniforms.
Soldiers are authorized storage of the headgear, when it is not worn, in the
BDU cargo pockets. Soldiers
must
fold the headgear neatly so as not to present a bulky appearance. Soldiers
will not attach headgear to the uniform
or
hang it from the belt.
Page
19
3–5.
Headgear
a.
Beret. …
(5)
Green beret.
(a)
If
approved by local commanders, all Special Forces-qualified personnel (those
carrying the Special Forces
MOSs
of 18A or 180A, CMF 18, and CSMs reclassified from 18Z to OOZ) are authorized
to wear the green beret.
This
includes senior and junior ROTC instructors and those attending training at an
Army service school in a student
status
(for example, CGSC, DLI, or USASMA).
(b)
Special Forces
personnel will wear the approved flash of the unit to which they are assigned.
Special Forces
personnel
who are assigned to an organization without an approved flash will wear the
generic SF flash (the flash
approved
for personnel assigned to SF positions, but not assigned to SF units).
Page
264
28–31.
Distinctive items authorized for other than infantry personnel
a.
Organizational
flash.
(1)
Description. A shield-shaped embroidered patch, with a semicircular bottom,
approximately 21⁄4
inches long and
17⁄8
inches wide.
(2)
Approval authority. The
the
flash for each organization.
The flash is provided without cost to enlisted personnel.
(3)
How worn. The flash is sewn centered on the stiffener of the beret (see figs
28–11 and 28–12).
(4)
By whom worn. Personnel authorized to wear the maroon, tan, or green berets
wear their distinctive organizational
flash.
All other soldiers wear the Army flash on the black beret, unless
authorization for another flash was
granted
before the implementation of the black beret as the standard Army headgear
(see para 3–5a(3)(c)).
b.
Airborne
background trimming.
(1)
Description. An oval-shaped embroidered device in distinctive colors, 13⁄8
inches in height
and 21⁄4
inches in
width.
(2)
Approval authority. Subject to the
approval of The
authorized
for organizations designated (by structure, equipment, and mission)
“Airborne” or “Air Assault” by HQDA.
Qualified
personnel are authorized to wear the background trimming with the Parachutist
or Air Assault badges.
Personnel
wear only one background trimming at a time. Appropriated funds are used to
provide enlisted personnel
with
the background trimming without cost. If appropriated funds are not available,
units may purchase background
trimming
with non-appropriated funds.
(3)
How worn.
(a)
Personnel wear
the background trimming beneath any of the authorized parachutist or air
assault badges on the
Army
green coat and AG 415 shirt. The basic portion of the badge is centered on the
background trimming; however,
the
wreath and star on the Master and Senior Parachutist badges project slightly
above the background trimming. On
the
AG 415 shirt when ribbons are worn, all personnel wear the trimming so the
bottom edge of the trimming is 1⁄4
inch
above
the ribbons. When ribbons are not worn, males wear the trimming 1⁄4
inch above the
pocket seam, and females
wear
the trimming in a comparable position.
(b)
On the green
uniform coat, males wear the background trimming and applicable badge on the
pocket flap so the
space
between the seam of the pocket flap and the top of the background trimming,
wreath, or star is 1⁄8
inch (see fig
28–174).
Females wear the trimming and applicable badge on the green coat and the
maternity uniform tunic so the
bottom
edge of the background trimming is 1⁄4
inch above the
ribbons (see fig 28–175). When worn below the ribbons,
the
top of the background trimming is 1⁄4
inch below the
bottom ribbon row.
Page
314
30–3.
Wear of the uniform by retired personnel
a.
Personnel who
will be advanced to a higher grade upon retirement have the option of wearing
the insignia of that
grade
thereafter.
b.
Retired
personnel on active duty will wear their uniform and insignia in the same
manner as prescribed for
personnel
in the Active Army of corresponding grade and branch.
c.
Retired
personnel not on active duty may wear either the uniform reflecting their
grade and branch on the date of
their
retirement, or the uniform for personnel in the Active Army of corresponding
grade and branch, when appropriate,
but
may not intermix the two uniforms.
Personnel will wear the grade as shown on the retired grade of rank line on
the
retirement
order.
d.
Retired
personnel not on active duty are not authorized to wear shoulder sleeve
insignia, except as follows:
(1)
Personnel performing instructor duties at an educational institution
conducting courses of instruction approved
(2)
Retired personnel are authorized to wear
the shoulder sleeve insignia for
shoulder.
The insignia consists of a white cloth disc with a blue border, and an inner
white disc with a red border,
which
bears a blue and white adaptation of the coat of arms of the
of
arms contains the inscription “UNITED STATES ARMY” in red letters at the
top, and the word “RETIRED” in
blue
letters at the bottom (see fig 30–1).
Figure
30–1. Shoulder sleeve insignia, retirees
(3)
Retired personnel may wear the shoulder
sleeve insignia for former wartime service (SSI–FWTS) on the right
shoulder
if they were authorized wear of the SSI–FWTS while on active duty.
e.
Retired
personnel not on active duty are not authorized to wear the Army uniform when
they are instructors or
responsible
for military discipline at an educational institution, unless the educational
institution is conducting courses
of
instruction approved by the Armed Forces.
f.
In
addition to the occasions for wear listed above, retired personnel are
authorized to wear the uniform only on the
following
occasions. Uniforms for these occasions are restricted to service and dress
uniforms;
the BDU and physical
fitness
uniforms will not be worn.
(1)
While attending military funerals,
memorial services, weddings, inaugurals, and other occasions of ceremony.
(2)
Attending parades on national or state holidays, or other patriotic parades or
ceremonies in which any active or
reserve
than
stated above is prohibited.
g.
Retirees are
authorized to wear the physical fitness uniform (PFU) or the improved physical
fitness uniform
(IPFU)
under the following provisions:
(1)
May wear the PFU or the IPFU with civilian attire off the installation.
(2)
When wearing the PFU or the IPFU as a complete uniform, retirees will—
(a)
Wear only
authorized accessories corresponding to those worn by personnel of the Active
Army.
(b)
Keep the
sleeves down on the sweatshirt or jacket, the legs down on the pants, and the
t-shirt tucked inside the
trunks.
(c)
Not roll or
push up the sleeves of the IPFU sweatshirt or the PFU/IPFU jacket.
(d)
Wear the
sleeves of the IPFU sweatshirt cuffed or uncuffed; may not cuff the IPFU
jacket sleeves.
(e)
Wear the black
knit cap pulled down snugly on the head, with the bottom edge of the cap
folded up; will not roll
the
edge of the cap. A similar, commercially designed black knit cap is authorized
for wear.
h.
Pregnant
retirees are authorized to wear the t-shirt/sweatshirt outside the
trunks/sweatpants.
30–4.
Wear of the uniform by former members of the Army
a.
Unless
qualified under another provision of this regulation, or under the provisions
of section 772, title 10, United
AR
670–1 • 3 February 2005 315
States
Code (10 USC 772), former members of the
Army may wear the uniform if they served honorably during a
declared
or undeclared war, and if their most recent service was terminated under
honorable conditions.
Personnel who
qualify
under these conditions will wear the Army uniform in the highest grade they
held during such war service, in
accordance
with 10 USC 772.
b.
The uniform is
authorized for wear only for the following ceremonial occasions, and when
traveling to and from
the
ceremony or function. Uniforms for these occasions are restricted to service
and dress uniforms; the BDU and
physical
fitness uniforms will not be worn.
(1)
When attending military funerals, memorial services, weddings, inaugurals, and
other occasions of ceremony.
(2)
When attending parades on national or state holidays, or other patriotic
parades or ceremonies in which any
active
or reserve
other
purpose than stated above, is prohibited.
30–5.
Wear of the uniform by Medal of Honor recipients.
Personnel
awarded the Medal of Honor may wear the Army uniform at their pleasure, except
under the circumstances
in
paragraph 1–10j.
30–6.
Wear of medals on civilian clothes
Retired
personnel and former members of the Army (as described above) may wear all
categories of medals described
in
this regulation on appropriate civilian clothing. This includes clothes
designed for veteran and patriotic organizations
on
Veteran’s Day, Memorial Day, and Armed Forces Day, as well as at formal
occasions of ceremony and social
functions
of a military nature. Personnel may wear either full-size or miniature medals.
Personnel who wear medals on
civilian
clothes should place the medals on the clothing in approximately the same
location and in the same manner as
for
the Army uniform, so they look similar to medals worn on the Army uniform.
30–7.
When wear of the uniform is prohibited
The
wear of the Army uniform by ARNG, USAR, retired, separated, and civilian
personnel is prohibited under the
circumstances
listed in paragraph 1–10j.
30–8.
Wear of a uniform similar to the Army uniform
a.
A person for
whom one of the following uniforms is prescribed may wear the uniform,
provided it includes
distinctive
insignia prescribed by the Secretary of the Army to distinguish it from the
U.S. Army uniform.
(1)
Instructors or members of an organized cadet corps at a state university,
college, or public high school that has a
regular
course of military instruction will wear the uniform prescribed by the
academic organization.
(2)
Instructors or members of an organized cadet corps at an educational
institution that has a regular course of
military
instruction in military science with an Army instructor, will wear the uniform
prescribed by the academic
organization.
(3)
When authorized by regulations
prescribed by the Secretary of the Army, members of a military society
composed
of persons discharged honorably or under honorable conditions from the
prescribed
by the military society.
b.
According to
section 773(b), title 10, United States Code (10 USC 773(b)), none of the
uniforms prescribed in
paragraph
a, above, may include insignia
or grade the same as or similar to those prescribed for officers of the Army,
Navy,
Air Force, or Marine Corps.
c.
State defense
forces (SDF) may adopt the Army service and BDU uniforms, provided all service
uniform buttons,
cap
devices, and other insignia differ significantly from that prescribed for wear
by members of the U.S. Army. State
insignia
will not include “
SDF
may wear a State-designed SDF distinguishing badge or insignia centered on the
left pocket flap. The red
nametape
or nameplate will include the full title of the SDF (for example, “
will
contain a State SDF tape in lieu of “U.S. Army” over the left breast
pocket. States wishing to adopt the Army
service
and utility uniforms will register with the Chief, National Guard Bureau.
30–9.
Wear of distinctive unit insignia on civilian clothing
Former
members of an Army unit may wear the distinctive unit insignia on the breast
pocket or lapel.
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Retiree
newsletter says retirees can wear the black beret.
Retirees,
uniforms & new berets
Since
the introduction of the new Army
beret,
we have gotten questions regarding
From: "Henry Cook" <[email protected]>
Hey
Guys,
Just
a couple of “war-stories” regarding wear of the Green Beret. I
personally do not know of anyone who gotten their ass in the crack more than
me over the alleged “un-authorized” wear of headgear. It first started
in 1963 when myself, Pappy Grandy and Roy Savoie were all attending the
While
at the
Secondly,
when I graduated from IOBC at
There
are more stories like this that I will be happy to share with you both over
an adult beverage. Will you be at the SOAR in September?
I
only tell you these stories to clearly state my personal(outside of the regs)
position over wearing of the beret. Once I was “entitled” to the beret,
I did not merely rely on a piece of paper to tell me if I could wear it or
not.
I
sent out the note regarding funerals because I thought MG Bargewell had a
good point and I fully support it. I too, do no like wearing the
“Retired” patch and when I have appeared in uniform I simply removed my
left shoulder unit patch and have that one bare except for the SF
qualification tab.
My
only rub is with those “wannabes” who may have worn the beret for a
short period of time and who, in spite of the war lasting ten years, always
found a way not to attend.
Some of those same people have criticized my wear of the uniform at
functions in which the chapter was involved.
Looking
forward to anymore discussion on this matter as you desire.
De
Oppresso Liber
Henry
Cook
BTW—I
am in the running for a position on the Board of directors for the SOA and I
need and would appreciate your support.