Tilt Meyers
From:
batman@frontiernet.net
Capt. Bob:
On or about mid July '68 someone brought one of those patches to our hootch.
Whoever it was said that the REMF's had designed and ordered these patches for
everyone (meaning us) to wear as pocket patches.
After examining the patch closely we decided that it was one of the funniest
things we had ever seen, what with the skull, blood running down from it's
fangs,eyes with red slits, etc., and decided that if asked/ordered to wear such
a "macho" abomination on our overwise sterile fatigues we would refuse. To the
best of my knowledge and belief this never came to pass. Also, again to the
best of my knowledge and belief, this was the first and only time I ever saw one
of those patches until I ran across one on ebay.
IT IS A STRANGE WORLD WE LIVE OLD FRIEND.
De oppresso liber
Batman sends.
From: Shane5th SFG
He may have sewn it on later on in life to wear to SF meetings or gatherings.
Shane sends...............
From:
pmartin@adelphia.net
I seen them on the same uniform, but only worn on the FOB II base. I was not on
the actual base that much and always on flight status so I was afraid to wear
mine.
After all I was told that if I ever talk about this place or the patch I'd be
tossed so far behind bars I would have my spaghetti and meatballs fed to me by
slingshot.
From: SFAHQ
ROBERT
If you have the book "SF The First Fifty Years" look on page 285. If you don't,
on that page at the very top is MACV SOG Pocket patches, & inside-beret patches,
and the one you sent is called a inside-beret patch.
DE Oppresso Liber
Burrel Wilson
Special Forces Association
From:
john.newman@innovene.com
I saw them worn around FOB 2 when I was there in 70/71. Seldom by RECON. Team
members usually wore their team patch and/or the SCU patch.Ditto Hatchet Force.
Support personnel wore them in lieu of team patches. Sorry. This is the best I
can do after 30+ years!
From:
brokenhippie@centurytel.net
You are absolutely right Bob. I never knew it to be worn on the pocket.
However it wouldn't surprise me if someone sewn on the patch on the pocket as a
thing after they got out of the service, like many do up north here, when they
go hunting. I still have mind sewn on the inside of one of my berets, and have
it sewn on my outdoor wear.
From:
DILIGAF2U@webtv.net
Not at Phu Bai 69-70 as I recall, Maybe on the uniform in camp at
DaNang, Recon ---don't think so.
Ray
From: Alright4u
Robert: This is not a jungle fatigue, not indig, not tigers, nor the rare all
black. Beats the shit out of me.
I recall the SCU pocket patches were issued at Omega within a week or so of when
I was given command of second company. That was mid August 68 to September 68.
The reason I recall the timeframe was we got M-16's for yards in the HF's then.
Jon
To: Bud Burrell
I never saw one worn on the pocket at CCN, primarily because there was already
an NVA 40,000 piaster ($400 US) bounty on a green beret with head attached!
Larry
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Larry Richardson
Jonoe'da' chautauqua (Elk River)
(4th generation Seneca Iroquoise)
From:
james.acre@knology.net
Robert:At CCS there were a lot of SOG patches and team patches but nobody ever
wore them that I recall.Ernie Acre
From:
ccsdoc@direcway.com
I never saw one until looked in the cavalry store in KY, they were selling them
for all three cc detachments
Doc Quackenbush
From: CSMMULCAHY
If my fading memory serves me.That patch, although sewn into the Beret by some
was also worn on the pocket of some wantobes around Kontom in the '69/70's.
Inside the Beret was the excepted way to display it. The Mike Force displayed
our patch on the pocket, and perhaps that prompted others to do the same.
Mulcahy sends
4th Bn Mile Force
Kontom
From: Ettingersk
When I was there the SOG patch was worn on the pocket (Left) and the Recon Team
patch on the pocket (Right side)
Skip
From:
sharpccoraj@lvnworth.com
At CCS we wore the SCU (Special Commando Unit) patch on our pockets. I can’t
recall seeing this one, the few times I was at Kontum. We didn’t wear
the camies (looks like rip stop) at that time. It was Jungle Fatigues (OG
107’s-I think), indig fatigues, or tigers. That was 68/69. I didn’t
start seeing the camies until around 70 with the Marines on
Okinawa. aj
From: Shandriana
SOme guy's wore them on their uniform on the compound. I had a black uniform
with a CCC patch on it. I can't remember if I ever wore it outside the
compound. I had a dragon in my beret.
jimbo, Jim Jones-Shorten (CCC, 1970-71)
From: Nicksog
I never saw one at Sigma, period. The only place I ever saw one worn as a
pocket patch was in the last season of the TV series Tour of Duty. After
I stopped fuming, I just laughed my butt off at the silliness of Hollywood. I
think the last thing we would have wanted to advertise was our involvement in
SOG.
From: WolfGarry
Robert....when I was there from June 1966 to June 1967, no such patch was worn
by anyone - US or local - at FOB-1 nor (I didn't see any US or Yards) at FOB-2.
So, the patch was created after that period. Ask Frank Jaks since he spent
several tours with SOG. Good luck Wolf
From:
sunnyuno@verizon.net
I did not receive the photo for some reason. Seems we wore a patch circa 70 on
the left breast pocket of a tiger and parachute. I have one and a
photo I think showing it being on the uniform that way. Not sure if it was
legal or not. I do remember I think it was one guy at Recon Co. at CCN
wearing a SOG patch that was going to go downtown and someone else telling him
to take it off. Our hootches in CCN all had the plaque and name of
each team clearly displayed above the doors. I figure they did it that way in
case the sappers ever got into CCN again so they could like pick the
teams they really wanted to wax! Dumb in retrospect! George
From:
rick@grabianowski.com
Robert,
It appears to me that the uniform is a light weight BDU. I do not
recall ever having a camouflaged uniform at CCN. We wore the OD "jungle
fatigues", which were usually spray painted with black paint before going on the
ground. This was until the end of 1970. Perhaps later they did issue this BDU.
But then again, the first BDU's were "heavy weight" ones. Of course CRS could
be affecting my memory.
Rick
| From: | RustyLang |
We were still running the same at CCN in '71. Sterile OD green jungle fatigues shadowed with flat black spray paint, and with black electrical tape around the leggings (I suppose we didn't have any duct tape available).
I never saw anybody wearing SOG pocket patches at CCN in '71, however, I noticed that one or two of the South Vietnamese working on the CCN compound were wearing LLDB pocket patches.
From:
batman@frontiernet.net
Capt. Bob:
On or about mid July '68 someone brought one of those patches to our hootch.
Whoever it was said that the REMF's had designed and ordered these patches for
everyone (meaning us) to wear as pocket patches.
After examining the patch closely we decided that it was one of the funniest
things we had ever seen, what with the skull, blood running down from it's
fangs,eyes with red slits, etc., and decided that if asked/ordered to wear such
a "macho" abomination on our overwise sterile fatigues we would refuse. To the
best of my knowledge and belief this never came to pass. Also, again to the
best of my knowledge and belief, this was the first and only time I ever saw one
of those patches until I ran across one on ebay.
IT IS A STRANGE WORLD WE LIVE OLD FRIEND.
De oppresso liber
Batman sends.
From:
dougmccready@juno.com
I never saw one on a uniform pocket and the uniform in question looks
very much like the lightweight BDUs hanging in my closet that are the
current Army uniform. One of the other guys who's also still in may be
able to confirm my BDU response.
Doug McCready
1940-GL
Support Guys Comments:
From:
tbennie01@yahoo.com
Hey Robert, Tom Bennie here, I was with the 170thAHC,1970 and I remember the
patch, I think it was worn on the uniform.
From:
croc-6@cox.net
I don't recall ever seeing the patch worn on a pocket, Robert.
Don
From: Crashmakool
To: SOG1RLNOE
Hey Robert, You know this is funny because a few years ago I got in the same
conversation with a Comanchero door gunner who had a patch that looked very
similar to the one shown except it said CCN. I told him I had never seen one
like that and where did it originate? It was very old and definitely from Nam.
He said that a mamasan at Camp Eagle used to sew them up. I have two CCN
patches, one given to me says MLT-2, and an FOB patch. All are the blue crest
shape with the gold star burst and the crossed rifles. The gunner went home
maybe 4 to 6 six months before me. About the end of 70'
I just dug out my U.S. SPECIAL FORCES SHOULDER & POCKET INSIGNIA GUIDE #3 BOOK
and on page 248 it shows one exactly as the photo you have. It says CCC pocket
patch (Viet) - a red and gold burst with black center, gray V, black bar with
gold CCC, white skull with black detail and red eyes, green beret with white
bordered yellow and red flash. 85mm X 115mm. (ME) (stands for machine
embroidered)
note: Some patches are identified as jacket patches (usually where we wore them)
normally large size items, however many of these from VN era were actually meant
to be worn inside the beret.
Crash Reports
Subj: Re: SOG Pocket Patch
Date: 10/19/05 2:06:08 PM Central Daylight Time
From: EPJDDS
Never saw it at CCC during 1969-70. I had mine sewn on my helmet bag. It was on
many wind breakers but never on fatigues.
Pete Johnston
SPAF-4